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Thiorosan: Note: 44 ambiguous-gloss collisions found, triage list at Yezur Wiki:Ambiguous glosses

2026-08-24T09:44:12Z

Note: 44 ambiguous-gloss collisions found, triage list at Yezur Wiki:Ambiguous glosses

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			== Ambiguous glosses — for ruling ==

			While building the English entries it became clear that the ''calf'' and ''bone'' pairs you flagged were not isolated. Grouping all 3,752 '''Lexemes''' rows by language, part of speech and gloss turns up '''44 collisions''' — places where one language has two lemmas sharing a single one-word English gloss, so the entries read as free variants when they are not.

			They are laid out for triage at '''[[Yezur Wiki:Ambiguous glosses]]''', with a verdict column per row.

			* '''Five needed no ruling''' and are already corrected — the definitions drew the distinction and only the <code>gloss=</code> field was stale ({{l\|YCQ-BE\|o'}} claw not fingernail, {{l\|YCQ-BE\|go}} whole not ten, {{l\|YCQ-BE\|bë}} / {{l\|YCQ-BE\|mon}} right-hand against right-correct, {{l\|YCP-XA\|gira}} game not play).
			* '''Fifteen want a ruling.''' Ten are Gaillean pairs descending from one Proto-Herta-Olaic etymon and reaching Middle Airananwe still paired (''stone'', ''sea'', ''child'', ''burn'', ''live'', ''they'', ''he/she/it'', ''you'', ''in'', ''at''); three are unrelated Gaillean pairs (''by'', ''for'', ''step-mother''); two are Andusian (the two third-person pronouns, and ''hail''). Each row carries a suggested split, but they are suggestions only.
			* '''Four Besoh pairs share one ruling:''' the language coined a replacement to escape a homophone, and {{l\|YCQ-BE\|go}} records that plainly ("archaic: ten — the numeral sense has passed to {{l\|YCQ-BE\|göj}}") while {{l\|YCQ-BE\|he}}, {{l\|YCQ-BE\|ho}}, {{l\|YCQ-BE\|gö}} and {{l\|YCQ-BE\|ba'}} do not.
			* '''One is an error rather than an ambiguity:''' Gaillean {{l\|YAQ-GA\|ihav}} and Middle {{l\|YAR-AI\|hyaave}} give their etymon as the '''singular''' {{m\|YAP-XX\|nwijɔ}}, which is also ''nio''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s. The plural {{m\|YAP-XX\|ixaβ}} has no Gaillean reflex, though Ancient Hertic {{l\|YAQ-HE\|ιαπα}} continues it and matches ''ihav'' in shape. Reading ''ihav'' < ''ixaβ'' fixes all of it at once.

			Nothing on that page has been applied except the five noted above. — [[User:Thiorosan\|Thiorosan]] ([[User talk:Thiorosan\|talk]]) 2026-08-21

Thiorosan: Remove the Besoh conscript font to-do: superseded, no conscript (operator)

2026-08-18T10:32:40Z

Remove the Besoh conscript font to-do: superseded, no conscript (operator)

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	~~== Besoh conscript font — to-do ==~~

	~~Recording the requirements for the Besoh script, agreed to be the project's first proper conscript ([[Besoh language\|Besoh]], code YCQ-BE, currently at romanized titles pending this font).~~

	~~'''Glyph coverage''' — 34 letterforms of the romanization must map:~~
	* plain: ''a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v z'' (no ''w'', ''x'' or ''y'' exist in Besoh)
	* marked: ''ś ź ĥ ĝ ǵ ñ'' and the long vowels ''ä ë ï ö ü''
	* the glottal letter '' ' '' needs a real glyph of its own
	* decisions to make: does the script have '''casing''' (the romanization capitalizes personified names — ''Fo''', ''San''); are the long vowels '''distinct glyphs or base + length mark'''; native '''punctuation and numerals''' or none.

	'''Codepoints''' — a stable PUA codepoint table (letter → codepoint) is required before any wiki work can build on the font: it feeds (1) [[Module:Auphen/YCQ-BE]], which needs a script→IPA transposition added beside the romanization one, (2) a transliteration module for native-script titles with romanized redirects (the Ancient Hertic pattern), and (3) the operator-side transcriber rules.

	~~'''Delivery''' — the same webfont mechanism as the existing PUA test on [[User:Yezur]] (not visible via the API; admin-side).~~

	'''After the font lands''' (Thiorosan's side, scripted): ~900 Besoh-only pages move to native-script titles with redirects kept; ~80 shared-title pages get their Besoh section split out with a pointer left behind; templates and the registry are untouched (they key on the code). The two fables stand ready to be the first texts ever set in the script.

	~~— [[User:Thiorosan\|Thiorosan]] ([[User talk:Thiorosan\|talk]]) 2026-08-07~~

Thiorosan: To-do: Besoh conscript font — glyph coverage, codepoint table, delivery, migration plan (operator request)

2026-08-07T10:17:51Z

To-do: Besoh conscript font — glyph coverage, codepoint table, delivery, migration plan (operator request)

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			== Besoh conscript font — to-do ==

			Recording the requirements for the Besoh script, agreed to be the project's first proper conscript ([[Besoh language\|Besoh]], code YCQ-BE, currently at romanized titles pending this font).

			'''Glyph coverage''' — 34 letterforms of the romanization must map:
			* plain: ''a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v z'' (no ''w'', ''x'' or ''y'' exist in Besoh)
			* marked: ''ś ź ĥ ĝ ǵ ñ'' and the long vowels ''ä ë ï ö ü''
			* the glottal letter '' ' '' needs a real glyph of its own
			* decisions to make: does the script have '''casing''' (the romanization capitalizes personified names — ''Fo''', ''San''); are the long vowels '''distinct glyphs or base + length mark'''; native '''punctuation and numerals''' or none.

			'''Codepoints''' — a stable PUA codepoint table (letter → codepoint) is required before any wiki work can build on the font: it feeds (1) [[Module:Auphen/YCQ-BE]], which needs a script→IPA transposition added beside the romanization one, (2) a transliteration module for native-script titles with romanized redirects (the Ancient Hertic pattern), and (3) the operator-side transcriber rules.

			'''Delivery''' — the same webfont mechanism as the existing PUA test on [[User:Yezur]] (not visible via the API; admin-side).

			'''After the font lands''' (Thiorosan's side, scripted): ~900 Besoh-only pages move to native-script titles with redirects kept; ~80 shared-title pages get their Besoh section split out with a pointer left behind; templates and the registry are untouched (they key on the code). The two fables stand ready to be the first texts ever set in the script.

			— [[User:Thiorosan\|Thiorosan]] ([[User talk:Thiorosan\|talk]]) 2026-08-07

Alompan: To-do notes for flags 25 and 37, per your verdicts

2026-07-28T20:33:01Z

To-do notes for flags 25 and 37, per your verdicts

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	Because the tree is emitted by [[Module:Head]]/[[Module:Labels]], it is best defined and built alongside the module scheme — [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]]'s side of the toolchain. — [[User:Alompan\|Alompan]] ([[User talk:Alompan\|talk]]) 2026-07-19		Because the tree is emitted by [[Module:Head]]/[[Module:Labels]], it is best defined and built alongside the module scheme — [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]]'s side of the toolchain. — [[User:Alompan\|Alompan]] ([[User talk:Alompan\|talk]]) 2026-07-19
			== Module documentation pages — to-do ==

			Recording this here per your verdict on flag '''#25''' of the [[Yezur Wiki:Daily routine/Report\|daily report]] (''to to-do''); the row has been cleared from the table and the routine will not re-flag it.

			Seven modules carry a documentation transclusion whose <code>/doc</code> subpage does not exist, so each renders a redlinked doc box: [[Module:Auphen]], [[Module:Auphen/frame]], [[Module:Auphen/YAQ-HE]], [[Module:Auphen/YBS-PJ]], [[Module:Head]], [[Module:Labels]] and [[Module:Languages]]. [[Module:Infobox/doc]] is the pattern to follow.

			The material for each is already in hand, from the full read of the Module namespace on 2026-07-26: [[Module:Auphen]] states its own API contract in its header; [[Module:Auphen/frame]] has two entry points (<code>auphen</code> and <code>raw</code>); [[Module:Head]], [[Module:Labels]] and [[Module:Languages]] each carry a worked invoke signature per function; and the two data pages hold four documented keys apiece. Three header comments that a <code>/doc</code> should '''not''' inherit have since been corrected on the modules themselves (flags #48, #49 and #36), so the sources now read true.

			Best done by [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]], who wrote the modules.

			== Proto-languages: article or prose? — to-do ==

			Recording this here per your verdict on flag '''#37''' of the [[Yezur Wiki:Daily routine/Report\|daily report]] (''to to-do''); the row has been cleared from the table and the routine will not re-flag it.

			[[Module:Languages]] registers ten codes and instructs, in its own header, ''"Keep this table in step with the Languages Cargo table"'' — but two of the ten stand outside it: <code>YAP-XX</code> ''Proto-Herta-Olaic'' and <code>YBP-XX</code> ''Proto-Njeshan'', which between them back 313 of the Dictionary's 526 entries and have no article. Since the flag was filed, the etymology sweep (flag #42) has made this sharper still: 209 Lexemes rows now carry <code>etym_source=YAP-XX</code>, so Proto-Herta-Olaic is by a wide margin the most-cited language on the wiki and the only one with nowhere to link.

			Nothing is broken — <code><nowiki>{{m\|YAP-XX\|…}}</nowiki></code> resolves into the correct Dictionary section, the families' protos are carried as text in '''LanguageFamilies''', and [[Module:Languages]] marks them <code>recon = true</code>. The open question is editorial: whether a reconstructed language gets its own article. If it should stay as prose on the family pages, nothing needs doing. If it should become articles, that is five pages (''Proto-Herta-Olaic'', ''Proto-Njeshan'', ''Proto-Andusian'', ''Proto-Shung-Worrehan'', ''Proto-Tacchoan'') plus a decision on whether the "''X'' language" naming convention applies to a reconstruction.

			— [[User:Alompan\|Alompan]] ([[User talk:Alompan\|talk]]) 2026-07-28

Alompan: Note the lexical category tree on the to-do list (report flag 18)

2026-07-19T21:25:02Z

Note the lexical category tree on the to-do list (report flag 18)

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	* '''Missing core words''': the proto has ''desire'', ''do'', ''king'', and ''like'', which have no Ancient Hertic entry yet.		* '''Missing core words''': the proto has ''desire'', ''do'', ''king'', and ''like'', which have no Ancient Hertic entry yet.
	— [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]] ([[User talk:Khurouan\|talk]]) 13:01, 19 July 2026 (UTC)		— [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]] ([[User talk:Khurouan\|talk]]) 13:01, 19 July 2026 (UTC)
			== Lexical category tree — to-do ==

			Recording this here per your verdict on flag '''#18''' of the [[Yezur Wiki:Daily routine/Report\|daily report]] (''"accepting the proposed model, will hand off to Khurouan"''); the row has been cleared from the table and the routine will not re-flag it.

			The Dictionary import auto-categorises through <code><nowiki>{{head}}</nowiki></code>/<code><nowiki>{{lb}}</nowiki></code>, and the resulting categories do not exist yet — currently '''45 wanted categories''', the largest by a wide margin being [[:Category:Ancient Hertic lemmas]] (212 members), [[:Category:Proto-Herta-Olaic lemmas]] (211) and [[:Category:Proto-Njeshan lemmas]] (102).

			The accepted model: each <code>Category:<Language> <pos></code> is a child of <code>Category:<Language> lemmas</code>; each <code>Category:<Language> lemmas</code> is a child of a per-language container and of a cross-cutting <code>Category:Lemmas</code>; register categories branch separately.

			Two things are still open before the tree can be built:
			* the '''per-language container name''' (e.g. <code>Category:Ancient Hertic language</code>), and
			* '''parentage for the finer classes''' the [[Module:Head]] scheme emits — gender ([[:Category:Ancient Hertic feminine nouns\|feminine nouns]]), declension class ([[:Category:Ancient Hertic first-declension masculine nouns\|first-declension masculine nouns]] and siblings), verb class ([[:Category:Ancient Hertic IS-class verbs\|IS-]]/[[:Category:Ancient Hertic OO-class verbs\|OO-class verbs]]) and register ([[:Category:Pjany slang\|Pjany slang]], [[:Category:Pjany vulgarities\|vulgarities]]). Whether these nest directly under the part-of-speech category or under an intermediary is undecided.

			Because the tree is emitted by [[Module:Head]]/[[Module:Labels]], it is best defined and built alongside the module scheme — [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]]'s side of the toolchain. — [[User:Alompan\|Alompan]] ([[User talk:Alompan\|talk]]) 2026-07-19

Khurouan: Note Ancient Hertic to-do: N1/N2/IS/OO paradigms + missing core words

2026-07-19T13:01:23Z

Note Ancient Hertic to-do: N1/N2/IS/OO paradigms + missing core words

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	== Wiki write access confirmed (Khurouan) ==		== Wiki write access confirmed (Khurouan) ==
	End-to-end write path is live. Authenticated with the <code>Khurouan@claude</code> bot password (login token → login → CSRF → edit, no <code>bot=1</code>, so it stays visible in Recent Changes), with page content read from a file so UTF-8 survives intact — Aeránanue, Velthari, ə ʔ ŋ all round-trip cleanly. This revision is attributed to Khurouan, distinct from your own browser edits as Yezur. [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]] ([[User talk:Khurouan\|talk]]) 19:44, 13 July 2026 (UTC)		End-to-end write path is live. Authenticated with the <code>Khurouan@claude</code> bot password (login token → login → CSRF → edit, no <code>bot=1</code>, so it stays visible in Recent Changes), with page content read from a file so UTF-8 survives intact — Aeránanue, Velthari, ə ʔ ŋ all round-trip cleanly. This revision is attributed to Khurouan, distinct from your own browser edits as Yezur. [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]] ([[User talk:Khurouan\|talk]]) 19:44, 13 July 2026 (UTC)
			== Ancient Hertic — to-do ==

			A few Ancient Hertic items are waiting on you (noted here for reference; the daily routine is not flagging these):
			* '''Declension paradigms''' for noun classes '''N1''' and '''N2''' — the tables redlink on those entries until <code><nowiki>{{YAQ-HE-decl-N1}}</nowiki></code> / <code><nowiki>{{YAQ-HE-decl-N2}}</nowiki></code> are built.
			* '''Conjugation paradigms''' for verb classes '''IS''' and '''OO''' — likewise <code><nowiki>{{YAQ-HE-conj-IS}}</nowiki></code> / <code><nowiki>{{YAQ-HE-conj-OO}}</nowiki></code> (no verb paradigm exists yet).
			* '''Missing core words''': the proto has ''desire'', ''do'', ''king'', and ''like'', which have no Ancient Hertic entry yet.
			— [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]] ([[User talk:Khurouan\|talk]]) 13:01, 19 July 2026 (UTC)

Khurouan: no-op verify

2026-07-13T19:44:25Z

no-op verify

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	== Wiki write access confirmed (Khurouan) ==		== Wiki write access confirmed (Khurouan) ==
	End-to-end write path is live. Authenticated with the <code>Khurouan@claude</code> bot password (login token → login → CSRF → edit, no <code>bot=1</code>, so it stays visible in Recent Changes), with page content read from a file so UTF-8 survives intact — Aeránanue, Velthari, ə ʔ ŋ all round-trip cleanly. This revision is attributed to Khurouan, distinct from your own browser edits as Yezur. [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]] ([[User talk:Khurouan\|talk]]) 19:43, 13 July 2026 (UTC)		End-to-end write path is live. Authenticated with the <code>Khurouan@claude</code> bot password (login token → login → CSRF → edit, no <code>bot=1</code>, so it stays visible in Recent Changes), with page content read from a file so UTF-8 survives intact — Aeránanue, Velthari, ə ʔ ŋ all round-trip cleanly. This revision is attributed to Khurouan, distinct from your own browser edits as Yezur. [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]] ([[User talk:Khurouan\|talk]]) 19:44, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

Khurouan: Consolidate write-access test notes into one clean confirmation

2026-07-13T19:43:48Z

Consolidate write-access test notes into one clean confirmation

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	Hi Yezur! This is a test comment posted via the MediaWiki API by Claude Code, confirming the bot login and edit flow are working. [[User:Yezur\|Yezur]] ([[User talk:Yezur\|talk]]) 18:47, 13 July 2026 (UTC)		Hi Yezur! This is a test comment posted via the MediaWiki API by Claude Code, confirming the bot login and edit flow are working. [[User:Yezur\|Yezur]] ([[User talk:Yezur\|talk]]) 18:47, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

	== ~~End-to-end~~ write ~~test~~ (Khurouan) ==		== Wiki write access confirmed (Khurouan) ==
	~~Confirming~~ the <code>Khurouan@claude</code> bot-password ~~path end to end: this note was written through the Action API~~ (login token ? login ? CSRF ~~token ?~~ edit), ~~with~~ no <code>bot=1</code> ~~flag~~, so it ~~should appear~~ in ~~both page history and~~ Recent Changes ~~attributed to Khurouan � distinct from your own browser edits as Yezur. [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]] ([[User talk:Khurouan\|talk]]~~) ~~19:40~~, ~~13 July 2026 (UTC)~~		End-to-end write path is live. Authenticated with the <code>Khurouan@claude</code> bot password (login token → login → CSRF → edit, no <code>bot=1</code>, so it stays visible in Recent Changes), with page content read from a file so UTF-8 survives intact — Aeránanue, Velthari, ə ʔ ŋ all round-trip cleanly. This revision is attributed to Khurouan, distinct from your own browser edits as Yezur. [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]] ([[User talk:Khurouan\|talk]]) 19:43, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

	~~== UTF-8 round-trip test (Khurouan) ==~~
	~~Re-running the write path~~ with content read ~~straight~~ from a file~~, bypassing the shell. Characters that must survive~~ intact~~: em-dash~~ — ~~, arrows login → CSRF → edit, and accented/conlang glyphs like~~ Aeránanue, Velthari, ~~Kh'roüan, ĉ~~ ə ʔ ŋ. ~~If these render correctly in history~~, ~~the pipeline is UTF-8-clean~~. [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]] ([[User talk:Khurouan\|talk]]) 19:42, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

Khurouan: UTF-8 round-trip test (file-based content)

2026-07-13T19:42:46Z

UTF-8 round-trip test (file-based content)

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	== End-to-end write test (Khurouan) ==		== End-to-end write test (Khurouan) ==
	Confirming the <code>Khurouan@claude</code> bot-password path end to end: this note was written through the Action API (login token ? login ? CSRF token ? edit), with no <code>bot=1</code> flag, so it should appear in both page history and Recent Changes attributed to Khurouan � distinct from your own browser edits as Yezur. [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]] ([[User talk:Khurouan\|talk]]) 19:40, 13 July 2026 (UTC)		Confirming the <code>Khurouan@claude</code> bot-password path end to end: this note was written through the Action API (login token ? login ? CSRF token ? edit), with no <code>bot=1</code> flag, so it should appear in both page history and Recent Changes attributed to Khurouan � distinct from your own browser edits as Yezur. [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]] ([[User talk:Khurouan\|talk]]) 19:40, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

			== UTF-8 round-trip test (Khurouan) ==
			Re-running the write path with content read straight from a file, bypassing the shell. Characters that must survive intact: em-dash — , arrows login → CSRF → edit, and accented/conlang glyphs like Aeránanue, Velthari, Kh'roüan, ĉ ə ʔ ŋ. If these render correctly in history, the pipeline is UTF-8-clean. [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]] ([[User talk:Khurouan\|talk]]) 19:42, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

Khurouan: End-to-end write test � confirming Khurouan bot attribution

2026-07-13T19:40:39Z

End-to-end write test � confirming Khurouan bot attribution

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	Hi Yezur! This is a test comment posted via the MediaWiki API by Claude Code, confirming the bot login and edit flow are working. [[User:Yezur\|Yezur]] ([[User talk:Yezur\|talk]]) 18:47, 13 July 2026 (UTC)		Hi Yezur! This is a test comment posted via the MediaWiki API by Claude Code, confirming the bot login and edit flow are working. [[User:Yezur\|Yezur]] ([[User talk:Yezur\|talk]]) 18:47, 13 July 2026 (UTC)

			== End-to-end write test (Khurouan) ==
			Confirming the <code>Khurouan@claude</code> bot-password path end to end: this note was written through the Action API (login token ? login ? CSRF token ? edit), with no <code>bot=1</code> flag, so it should appear in both page history and Recent Changes attributed to Khurouan � distinct from your own browser edits as Yezur. [[User:Khurouan\|Khurouan]] ([[User talk:Khurouan\|talk]]) 19:40, 13 July 2026 (UTC)